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Alireza Noori on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:59:59


I couldn't find anywhere to post my feedback. So I'm asking if this is the right forum and if not, please tell me where should I post this.

 

I've installed the pre-beta release and found it pretty fast and a lot of great stuff was going on. The boot time was very fast with my SSD, the Metro design was very beautiful and the overall usage was very good. However I found a few problems which I want to report along with some suggestions.

1- Metro/Desktop integrity: I've heard it a lot from other people and didn't want to say anything until I got my hands on the OS and I agree. They were right. It feels like 2 different worlds that don't have anything to do with each other. The switching process was very fluid but the design wasn't. The Metro and Desktop parts feel separate. They don't combine and like my friend said: "It's like they've put a Metro on Windows 7". Although I believe that controls and features of these 2 concepts should have different looks, I think they should share a general feel and theme between them. There are lots of Visual Styles made by amature people that bring Metro and WP7 look to current Windows 7.

2. No theme for Metro?! I couldn't find any theme to change the look and colors of the 'Metro world'! I went to accessibility settings and enabled the high contrast option and it looked like WP7. It was cool but the desktop part was aweful so I had to disable it. I think there should be at least a few themes both for Metro and Desktop part that change colors and not just background images (which is the case for Windows 7). Again, there's hundreds of Visual Styles on the internet that change Windows 7's look COMPLETELY. Come on MSFT guys, add something fresh to the table. One more important thing is the use of Dark Visual Styles. I'm using my PC more than 10 hours a day. If I don't use a dark visual style, that much pressure on the eyes would absolutely hurt my eyes. I strongly suggest to add at least one dark themes (like Windows Phone 7's look) for Windows 8, for both Metro and Desktop.

3- Bring back start menu: Seriously?! Start menu is replaced with a button that feels very strange. It's like its something foreign which has stuck on start menu's place. Sure start screen is great. I love it. But it's not a replacement for Start Menu. In start menu I can access hundreds of software very easily. I can right click on its Computer and click properties or manage to go to 2 different places. I can easily go to control panel, games, etc. I can pin programs to it. There's a milion uses for start menu and you completely removed it?! Why?! I don't want to pin all of my applications to Start Screen and frankly I shouldn't. It will be polluted and its not usable. Sure I know I can hack it back. But think about average user. Not some geek. Think about some other way to go to Start Screen and bring back the start menu. It's a let down. A BIG ONE.

4- No way to close the Metro apps. It's confusing and it hurts me when I'm confused. I just had to hit Alt+F4 and it's not exactly what I want. The metro apps should have a close button.

5- Nowhere to find out about open Metro apps. Sure I can switch between the open apps but how am I supposed to know which apps are open? In desktop I have taskbar. What about Metro apps? I think their tiles should change somehow to indicate that they're open.

6- How can I get charms by mouse? Maybe I'm dumb! But I couldn't find any way to bring the charms by mouse. I don't have a touchscreen and if it was there, you should find a simple way to indicate the user how to work with these new stuff. I'm reading your blogs and watching your videos all the time. Even I had difficulties working with the new apps. Maybe a tutorial is needed. I don't know. Half the time average user won't know that he/she can click there. How is he/she supposed to know? There's no indication.

7- No bookmark button on Metro IE: I have over 300 bookmarks. About 100 of them are in my Favorites bar in IE9 in a good level of hirechiarcy of folders. So if I want to use them in the Metro IE, I should pin them all to my start screen and try to find them and click on them to open my favorite website. I don't think that much explaining is needed. You need to think about this. The least you could do is to add an option to show the pinned site in the Start screen or not.

8- No tools button on Metro IE: How am I supposed to print a page, save it to a file, see downloads, change settings, etc. in IE10 Metro style?! If you're going for an app that just shows a web page without any plugin that's fine. But the last time I read, you were going to full OS for tablets in Metro world. So I expect a better experience than the iOS or Honeycomb when it comes to Metro. More settings and abilities, more options, more beauty, and possiblities. Think about that.

9- Couldn't find a way to create an image password for my account. I used my Windows Live ID as the account and it used my email password. I wanted to change the login to use an image password like it's shown in the //build/ but couldn't find it (if available).

10- I expect full control panel for Metro. I want to be able to change everything that is going on on Metro world without switching to the desktop control panel.

11- No queue for file copy jobs: I have said this before. Running multiple copy/move jobs simultenously would drastically decrease speed and increase system resource usage in some cases. You know better. If copying on 2 different devices (for instance from A to B and another from C to D), they can (and they should) run alongside but if you are using the same device for 2 different devices (for instance from A to B and another from A to A) they should be added to a queue. I call this a smart queue. Because it knows when the jobs should be added to the queue.

Finally, I want to thank you for this great OS. I know I just mentioned the bad parts (or so I think) but I really enjoyed using it for a few hours that I installed it. I had to delete it because as I said I have to use a dark visual style to prevent hurting my eyes. But anyway it was a very promising experience. Good job.

PS: (I forgot this one)

12- The Start Screen should scroll by draging the background not just using the scrollbar.


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TrekDozer on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:58:58


I couldn't find anywhere to post my feedback. So I'm asking if this is the right forum and if not, please tell me where should I post this.

 

Here is a link to the feedback tool you can download:

https://connect.microsoft.com/site1147/Downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?DownloadID=38389

If you are prompted for an invitation code, please enter the following key. MSDN-76H9-3CFP

 

Alireza Noori on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:59:36


Thank you.

The link is a 404! :D Any other place I could download? One more thing, do I need to install Windows 8 to install this and post feedback or I can do it in my current Windows 7 x64? I've deleted the Developer Preview.


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jescott418 on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:37:36


I have to agree with most of what you say. I tried Windows 8 on a desktop PC and the Metro screen is NOT intuitive for a Mouse/Keyboard user. It should not default to such a screen. If you are not using a Touch enabled device it does not work very well. Steve Jobs from Apple was right that virtical screens such as Desktop Monitors do not work really well with a lot a Touch screen interaction. Its confusing at first working with two totally different UI and does nothing to improve computer use. Changes if dramatic should at least be a natural transition from what was being used. But its not! Put anyone very familiar with a traditional UI and then put them with a metro UI of Windows 8 and you will find users confused. I found myself seaching for ways to eliminate Metro and stay with a traditional UI desktop. Not because I am not drawn to learning a new way to use a computer. But because its not a better way to use a PC.  At least not without a Touch screen. If anything Microsoft you will nedd to appease the traditionalists and make a UI deafult option to stay with a more traditional theme and desktop if you intend to get users to adapt to Windows 8.


Jac70 on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:00:15


I feel that MS are trying to cater to two very different markets with one product. I intend to purchase a tablet device in the near future. I have been using a smartphone over the last year or so and I see how I could really use a small form factor device with a touchscreen for running media apps and web browsing. The Metro UI would be a fit in such a situation.

For the desktop though I cannot see the benefit of having the Metro UI.

I am persevering with the Metro UI on the desktop because I am willing to be convinced otherwise but so far I feel like MS need to be developing 2 separate products here.

Alireza Noori on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:21:26


... so far I feel like MS need to be developing 2 separate products here.


Well, I don't think they should develop 2 separate products. I like their take on this: "If you don't like Metro, just don't use it". In fact I encourage it. But I think they should represent a unique feel. They shouldn't feel as 2 separate parts. Just 2 approaches that are similar in the look and feel but different in the implementation and the usage.

Masternetra on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:22:58


There is a way to close the metro apps, Ctrl+Alt+Del then use task manager to end them. Also to note in the metro use of IE flash does not appear to function once it is installed. However running IE from Desktop its perfectly fine.

I am also a bit annoyed that they didn't provide 32bit developer tools... my processor may be able to handle 32bit but I only have 1GB of ram here.


Alireza Noori on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:44:44


@Masternetra:

Well I know about the task manager. I meant a convenient way to close the app (as in a normal day usage).

The Metro IE is meant to be that way. The MSFT people call it "plugin-free browsing"


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Alireza Noori on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:48:06


jescott418: I have to agree with most of what you say....


I'd like to know about the parts that you don't agree. Maybe with some discussion we could change each other's opinions.

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cmwindlinger on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:10:13


Themes cannot be changed in the dev preview.

You are 100 percent right about closing apps/multitasking in general. Its broken on Metro.

I actually prefer the Start Menu being gone... If I launched apps on Win7 it was always from the taskbar. PS the charms are in a "hot corner" in the bottom left where the start button normally is. Hover over it and they will pop up.

you are also 100 percent right about the control panel. I should never have to leave the Metro world unless I specifically want to (note: not NEED to). All of Control Panel should be in Metro. Things like Windows Update and Windows Defender also need to have full implementations in Metro. (there should also be a way to "hide" Desktop applications popping up in the "search"

Its hard to say what is intentionally left out and what is not at this point (this isn't a beta after all). Some things like multitasking are completely broken. Control Panel might get amore full implementation closer to launch!?!?!? Windows LIVE and Xbox/Media Player are not built into Metro yet either.

Fingers crossed for the best. This Dev Preview shows promise... but a lot of work left as well for the windows team


PS I don't think Metro is "intuitive" for mouse/keyboard BUT neither is Desktop... you just know how that works b/c its been around since 1995. There is def. a learning curve here... the question is how much and is it better once you have retrained yourself. Like I keep saying (b/c its SO IMPORTANT they get this right) Multitasking is not better whether your using touch or mouse.

Andrew.28 on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 04:26:26


@Aliereza Noori

Charms for the mouse can be found moving your mouse where the start menu used to be (although I think it should be like the tablet version and be on the right hand side of the screen). I agree that some sort of tutorial is need like with Win95 where they show you how to use new features (like the taskbar and start menu) upon start up or in OOBE. 

However, I disagree in regards to the start menu. I think the start screen is great and that use can easily search for the app you want. But the only thing that makes the start screen a put off is that most legacy programs would normally installed to the start menu would normally have their own folder (like Office and other suites). The app list or start screen doesn't address this, and if only there is sort of program grouping in the app list or start screen (in which I think I saw it in the demo) along with an easily way to access the app list that people to move on. 

 

Alireza Noori on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:51:34


@Andrew.28 & @cmwindlinger:

I knew about those charms but I wanted the charms in the right hand side of the screen like in the tablet versions. I read somewhere that it can be accessed by hovering the mouse in that location for a few seconds. Of course I cannot confirm this because I deleted the OS. If you can, please let me know of the result.

Maybe I'm being misunderstood but I ceirtainly didn't want to replace the start screen with the start menu. I just want to use both of them. In the metro world, start screen and in the desktop  world, start menu. There are ceirtain functionality that nothing can offer other than start menu. It uses so little real state for so much functionality it provides. I know I can launch programs by pinning them to the Taskbar but I don't like to do that for every program. I just pin the software I use more often like IE, Explorer, etc. and I don't like to use shortcuts on desktop. The desktop is not accessible unless you minimize all the windows which is not the case for start menu. I hide my desktop shortcuts and pin some software that I use but not that often (like Eclipse IDE) to start menu. Every time I want to use device manager, I right click on Computer on start menu and click manage. It's much faster and easy. How can start screen provide these?!

Thanks for the replies.

CEDPlano999 on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:30:15


Hi, I loaded the preview and plugged in a touch screen, I found the metro interface worked well on a touch screen.  Not perfect, but it is a beta.

Regards, Chris. 

cmwindlinger on Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:41:05


@Andrew.28 & @cmwindlinger:

I knew about those charms but I wanted the charms in the right hand side of the screen like in the tablet versions. I read somewhere that it can be accessed by hovering the mouse in that location for a few seconds. Of course I cannot confirm this because I deleted the OS. If you can, please let me know of the result.

Maybe I'm being misunderstood but I ceirtainly didn't want to replace the start screen with the start menu. I just want to use both of them. In the metro world, start screen and in the desktop  world, start menu. There are ceirtain functionality that nothing can offer other than start menu. It uses so little real state for so much functionality it provides. I know I can launch programs by pinning them to the Taskbar but I don't like to do that for every program. I just pin the software I use more often like IE, Explorer, etc. and I don't like to use shortcuts on desktop. The desktop is not accessible unless you minimize all the windows which is not the case for start menu. I hide my desktop shortcuts and pin some software that I use but not that often (like Eclipse IDE) to start menu. Every time I want to use device manager, I right click on Computer on start menu and click manage. It's much faster and easy. How can start screen provide these?!

Thanks for the replies.


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I can confirm that with mouse/keyboard charms ONLY pop up in the bottom left hot corner. I also wish there was consistency with where the charms pop up. having the charms pop up on the right hand side even with mouse and keyboard makes more sense to me. I also can't stand how the time/date/battery life/wifi indicator overlap the applications' "drawers" (or toolbars. they call them drawers on WP7). Metro does not look good when you layer 2D effects one on top of the other (the time indicator is ever so slightly translucent but it still does not look good. if they moved it up slightly it would no longer overlap and be much cleaner looking). I hope a lot of this is the result of being a preview but I'm afraid it is more than that. I know that supposedly they worked very closely with the WP7 team... but it really isn't showing. the basic look and some of the basic feel are there... but as of right now it does not feature the grace, simplicity and elegance of WP7... in fact thinking of all these oddities (and more importantly having to use them) usually leaves me frustrated and my head hurting a little bit... not a good sign Microsoft

Alireza Noori on Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:14:08


I can confirm that with mouse/keyboard charms ONLY pop up in the bottom left hot corner...
So how can you share content in an app? These charms were only visible in the start menu button position!

Rehab007 on Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:40:19


Hey, could you please teach me how to remove windows 8 preview? i formatted the W8 operating system disk, but whenever i turn on my laptop, there always be a windows boot manager to ask me to choose the operating system between preview and vista: ( please help

Rehab007 on Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:45:05


help me, tell me how to remove it completely, i formatted the w8 operating system, but there always be a windows boot manager menu when i turn on my laptop:) how to shut it up?

YukiNano on Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:16:47


You should set the other operating system as the primary system (if you are using double-booting)

I have W7 and Developer Preview, and i'm using the older boot menu manager, because i'm using W7 as my primary system.

Alireza Noori on Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:26:47


help me, tell me how to remove it completely, i formatted the w8 operating system, but there always be a windows boot manager menu when i turn on my laptop:) how to shut it up?

As Rateiosu said, you should change the default OS when you start your PC. There is an option in the same boot manager you mentioned.


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Noel Carboni on Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:45:03


You can bring up the Tablet Simulator to be able to press buttons and do gestures as folks with touch screens might...

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Simulator\Microsoft.Windows.Simulator.exe

 

-Noel

I-DotNET on Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:28:14


I agree with every item you list except for the first, at least partially.  You are right, Metro and Desktop parts feel separate.  But I don't think that's a bad thing.  The way you use a tablet and the way you use a desktop computer are completely different: 

  • Tablets are used primarily for consumption of data - web surfing, e-mails, social networking, watching movies, casual gaming, etc. 
  • Desktops are used primarily for the production of data - word processing, spreadsheets, running business applications, data entry, software development, hard-core gaming, etc. 

These are two different use cases.  One is optimized for touch screens.  The other is optimized for keyboard/mouse.  Both have their places.  It seems that Win8 sacrifices the second use case in favor of the first when in reality they both need to be first-class citizens.

I get the feeling that Microsoft still doesn't 'get' tablets.



Noel Carboni on Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:52:45


...consumption of data...

...production of data...

These are two different use cases

 

Well put.  Heh, makes one think that perhaps the key Microsoft decision makers have transitioned from data producers to consumers, and the folks in the ranks doing actual implementation of course DO have that magic "RPEnabled" registry key to use to keep that nasty Metro off THEIR desktops...

 

-Noel


Alireza Noori on Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:02:42


I agree with every item you list except for the first, at least partially.  You are right, Metro and Desktop parts feel separate.  But I don't think that's a bad thing.  The way you use a tablet and the way you use a desktop computer are completely different...


You are right and what you said is not anything other than what I said. Maybe I wasn't clear. I try to explain what I want. You see, the Desktop and Metro are different and they have different controls and "use cases" and because of that they should be different but what I want is to have a similar look between them. I mean in the Desktop world there's no need for a tile, an icon will do the job. The forms will still be there, the same apps should work but in my opinion it would be better to have a rectangular button, simple backgrounds and common colors between Metro and Desktop. Take a look at this picture:

this is a work of an amature. But it makes the Desktop world feel more like Metro. It's dark, it's awesome... I want at least a theme in control panel to give me an experience like this.

Lasanda 8 on Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:52:47


I have installed windows 8 developer preview 32bit version.It's exciting.I saw most of the people are interested about it and also interested in putting feedback on it.all the people who puts feedback are interested in bugs of start screen.they all are giving feedback about new metro interface.but they all are telling about advanced errors and bugs in win dev pre.i didn't see any one mentioning the basic bugs in win 8.saw i am going to tell you about those.the main thin is with metro style apps,as we all know the mostly used button in any OS is close button.but there is no easy way to close metro style apps in win dev pre,we can only switch between them,running more apps in same time will maze up the computer also it will slow down the computer.this problem will mainly come form offline desktop pcs.we must remember there is still worlds most using computers are desktop pcs not tablets.the second thing is about metro style file system,it can only used for share files between apps saw if there will be a way to access them and edit them with metro interface fans will love it.another problem is in start screen,we can only personalize lock screen,but there is no way to personalize start screen if there will,fans will also love it.next thing is about normal explorer view,it is basically like win 7 explorer.saw if it will deferent and it will also improved fans will appreciate that.also you must add additional way to switch to normal start menu because more people dont like new start screen and metro interface  saw they will use explorer interface.for them start menu will be useful.also i herd about removing ribbon from explorer interface in win 8,dont do that because it is good feature in win 8.remove bad features not good ones.also i must tell you about power button,many people is confused about turning off computer in win dev pre because power button is plased in settings,because it is not very easy to turn off.saw you must place it in start screen,its better.last thing is about new boot system,there is only way to choose new operating systems.but there is no way to choose earlier version of windows.remember still worlds mostly using windows version is windows xp.saw they will not directly change there windows version to win 8 with this bugs saw they will want a way to keep windows xp with win 8.think about that.also i must tell when os choose comes if we choose different os it will reboot system.it is wasting time and speed saw try to create way to directly boot to another os.i forgot to tell you there is lot of technical bugs in win dev pre.you must correct those also.I HOPE YOU WILL CORRECT THOSE ERRORS AND LET ME KNOW ARE THIS FEEDBACK IMPORTANT OR NOT.SEND ME EMAIL TO MY MAIL ADDRESS LASANDALIYADIPITA@GMAIL.COM

Noel Carboni on Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:23:17


Lasanda, please consider using the Enter key more often to separate your posts into small paragraphs.  People will be more likely to read all the way through what you write.

 

What you and many others don't seem to realize is that Microsoft clearly doesn't WANT us to close our apps, or to power off our systems.  They are reimagining computers/pads/phones that just go dark and silent when we leave them alone for a while, but continue to do things in the background and wake up instantly when we need them.

 

-Noel

Valko665 on Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:53:53


my 2 p:

I agree with all points and no offence but my honest opinion is the whole Metro UI looks like some kind of bad joke:

1. Usability is 0% - no way this can pass ANY usability testing, probably Microsoft do not bother to hire any usability experts when doing a new UI. Now I have seen this happening many times with custom applications, but to screw completely the whole OS UI seems to me is one step too far.

2. It is unbelievably slow for UI which seems to me more or less hardcoded

3. The whole idea of having HTML and javascript running locally - what can I say here this is wrong in so many ways I will leave it to you to figure it out.

I have been in software development for more than 25 years and defintely the whole thing win worst technology I have ever seen even beating Java applets.

Add the fact it goes directly against .NET, WPF and Silverlight and its some kind of deja vue for me. In the past Microsoft has abandoned VB6 platform in order to push for .NET, I have spend my last 10 years convincing clients to re-platform their solutions to .NET, do you think I will do the same now for Metro???? Do not think so,..

The whole windows 8 concept is one huge mistake and do not expect any support from us for this crap.

 

 

Noel Carboni on Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:19:15


Welcome to the club, Valko665.

 

Unfortunately, whether it actually works for experienced users appears to be taking a second seat to whether it supports an App Store for non-technical users just wanting to play.  I can think of no other reason for this move.

 

-Noel

vgamesx1 on Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:11:08


I am also a bit annoyed that they didn't provide 32bit developer tools... my processor may be able to handle 32bit but I only have 1GB of ram here.

well thats the one good thing that they are doing, there trying to get rid of 32-bit OSs by not really supporting them any longer.

Its a very good thing but also a quite bad disaster, since people, mainly business wise will have older software which will not work at all on a 64-bit OS.

64-bit OSs are decently faster and better if you meet the x64 processor/ram and 4GB memory needed for the OS.

so they should provide 32-bit tools, but with them taking that out they are making that slow change faster, getting rid of 32-bit OS.

davewilk on Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:08:07


Its a very good thing but also a quite bad disaster, since people, mainly business wise will have older software which will not work at all on a 64-bit OS.
This is not true. 32-bit programs run fine on 64-bit OS. The x64 architecture provides for this explicitly in its design.
 
But I agree that it would be a good if Windows moved to 64-bit OS exclusively.
 

WindowsVista567 on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 02:21:59


@davewilk

There are 16-bit programs that will run on 32-bit versions of Windows and do not work on 64-bit operating systems, but these are so old that I don't believe any company should use them.

davewilk on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:21:23


There are 16-bit programs that will run on 32-bit versions of Windows and do not work on 64-bit operating systems, but these are so old that I don't believe any company should use them.
Indeed.
 

RavioliMonster on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:17:37


I used to agree.

I don't anymore.

It seems to me that I can do with win 8 everything I'm doing today.  I actually never use the start menu.

Frankly, I don't think there's anything it does that can't be accomplished (just as easily) in another way.

For me, it comes down to taking the habbit of NOT pressing that windows key while working on the desktop.  I do press it frequently for the search functionality.  To keep that to a minimum, I'm just pinning more applications to the taskbar.  Now that the taskbar is being buffed for multiple monitor support, it can take over a lot of the stuff people used the start menu for.

So honestly, I'm a lot less skeptical then before.

However, I'm very curious about the beta next week.

Noel Carboni on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:32:35


It seems to me that I can do with win 8 everything I'm doing today.  I actually never use the start menu.

And so a useful feature has been lost to you.  Sigh.  But I agree, I avoid that Start box like the plague myself as well.

It's ludicrous to think we have to put shortcuts on the desktop for any program we want to run from the large list of those that have been installed.  Everyone has things they do only very occasionally, and the Start Menu has always a good answer for that.  Now it comes with just too much baggage. 

I suppose now we can just put shortcuts to the Start Menu file structures on the disk so that we can just navigate down through the hierarchy using Explorer...

And of course the old way of advising people how to do things gets a lot less straightforward...  "Click Start, type color into the search box, then click Color Management when it comes up..."

Rest assured the outcry will be SO GREAT if Microsoft doesn't program a way to avoid the Metro desktop replacement that 3rd party developers will no doubt create programs to do so.  I'm thinking Ivo Beltchev, who wrote ClassicShell, really has his work cut out for him!

 

-Noel


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Bob Comer on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:42:35


>It's ludicrous to think we have to put shortcuts on the desktop
 
Why not make a Start menu toolbar? That's what I do.  You do have to
set the permissions right for it, but it's just like the "All programs"
portion of the old start menu.
 

Noel Carboni on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:47:39


Yes, of course that's right.  Thanks, Bob.  But of course there's not a nice integrated search facility.

 

-Noel


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Bob Comer on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:48:51


I hope you can still do it in the new version we're getting shortly!
 

davewilk on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:53:02


Why not make a Start menu toolbar? That's what I do. You do have to set the permissions right for it, but it's just like the "All programs" portion of the old start menu.
Yes, so it lacks the items that you can pin to the Start Menu, which are the ones I always use.
 

Bob Comer on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:26:55


You can still copy icons in and if you put them in the root of start
menu, it ends up being the same -- it's not as easy as picking a
context menu option, but it's definitely doable.
 

_bug_ on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:13:04


@Masternetra:

Well I know about the task manager. I meant a convenient way to close the app (as in a normal day usage).

The Metro IE is meant to be that way. The MSFT people call it "plugin-free browsing"

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in my opinion, i just couldn't know how to open desktop ie by default. it is terrible with so many flashes, silverlights and so on.